tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post9172312327401814168..comments2024-03-16T12:45:12.251-04:00Comments on Raised By Wolves: The New York Review of Each Others' BooksHeather Houlahanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13891198124130533198noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-57712366332293180192009-05-07T11:47:00.000-04:002009-05-07T11:47:00.000-04:00will this result in a book written by HH? I think...will this result in a book written by HH? I think it should.<br /><br />eliAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-39115022876209189262009-05-07T11:17:00.000-04:002009-05-07T11:17:00.000-04:00LOL Nice job. I remember when experience out ranke...LOL Nice job. I remember when experience out ranked degrees--in fact a "special major" was what was recommended to me.<br /><br />I ended up taking my experience into a private course (hands-on with academics) and then to the only established animal training program around.<br /><br />It has been amusing to see papers presented at conferences where the researcher has re-labeled terms so that they could present something "new."<br /><br />One of my colleagues is an academic, and although he can deal with a variety of issues successfully--he sucks at people skills.<br /><br />Ultimately, I think the pendulum swing is going to level out somewhere in the middle where experience and academics (or education--since you can also get that outside of college) will both be valued and we will get away from the "us and them" mentality and get to the "and both" frame of mind.Ark Ladyhttp://www.arkanimals.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-68205220633679135002009-05-03T14:54:00.000-04:002009-05-03T14:54:00.000-04:00My own experience in graduate school is very simil...My own experience in graduate school is very similar to what you describe. And I'm not sure what your discipline was, but in the social sciences, it helps to be a number cruncher and not have a clue about what is actually happening.<br /><br />Academia where lots of people who never grew up go to hang out and earn a living. Not all academics are middle school students in their mentality, but far too many are.<br /><br />The behavioral revolution in the social sciences is one thing I'd like to see disappear. It's literally a "God that failed."<br /><br />Now, you and I have different philosophies on dog training, but I'd be a fool to tell you that dog training is a true science. If Karl Popper saw half of the things posited by the experts in animal behavior, I believe he'd have at least cardiac event. Falsifiablity--that's your main scientific principle, not butt-kissing!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-19759332402658089642009-05-02T10:22:00.000-04:002009-05-02T10:22:00.000-04:00I got meself one o' dem dare three letter configur...I got meself one o' dem dare three letter configurations behind my name, and a stack of rejection letters from first-, second- and third-tier journals uniformly affirming that I *would have been published* if ONLY I'd cited the work of the (anonymous to me) reviewer.<br /><br />Meanwhile, it's been the folks with six letters behind their names (DVM, PHD) who've told crowds of rapt behavior-wannabes that 'dog trainers should go to prison for what they do to dogs', and that's a direct quote. <br /><br />Looking forward to the literature review.PrairieK9noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-16633221040758786922009-05-02T08:52:00.000-04:002009-05-02T08:52:00.000-04:00Can we request articles to be reviewed? I went th...Can we request articles to be reviewed? I went through the AABS journal a while back and have a few that I'd like a seasoned REAL dog pro to look at. Since I'm going through a psych course where we have to read and cite multiple studies in our own papers for our own studies, I'm getting a bit nitpicky on some of the behavioral stuff I'm reading.<br /><br />I'll definitely be waiting in the wings to read what's coming up! (And this is pretty much why I'm skipping grad school and going straight into professional trainer school!)Viateciohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08523551407472141202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-45203764228168806942009-05-02T07:47:00.000-04:002009-05-02T07:47:00.000-04:00Being one of the great unwashed 'dawg-trayners' wh...Being one of the great unwashed 'dawg-trayners' who does not prescribe to the lab-rat, lemon-brain philosophy of the white lab coats and jewel encrusted degree programs, I look forward to this with the greatest of interest!Linda Kaimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588283376515834955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-65831462626414772732009-05-01T22:55:00.000-04:002009-05-01T22:55:00.000-04:00Salivating in anticipation of the next installment...Salivating in anticipation of the next installment.<br /><br />And no, no one rang a dinner bell...The Dog Househttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11287112678836853233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-20686413891684148782009-05-01T21:53:00.000-04:002009-05-01T21:53:00.000-04:00So, THAT"S why they hate Senor-Who-Must-Not-Be-Nam...So, THAT"S why they hate Senor-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named so much. He really is a threat to their little emperor's clothing store.<br /><br />I ain't gonna miss a post on this series.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-73007806036194749712009-05-01T20:35:00.000-04:002009-05-01T20:35:00.000-04:00Ha ha ha! Absolutely dead on. There are a lot of...Ha ha ha! Absolutely dead on. There are a lot of 'research' papers about dogs that are written by has-beens or wannabes alright. And the media guys? Perfectly captured. They wouldn't know how to critically appraise a paper, even a very basic one, if their lives depended on it.<br /><br />Can't wait to read more.Caveathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10712858257904194590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-46006935457184654852009-05-01T19:02:00.000-04:002009-05-01T19:02:00.000-04:00quoting Heather:
"I attribute it to the truly dis...quoting Heather:<br /><br />"I attribute it to the truly dismal "science education" in this country -- which has been dismal since forever, and doesn't show any sign of improving.<br /><br />Because facility with technology is NOT the same thing as a scientific education."<br /><br />SOOOOOO true.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13545617827996043666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-40336324665410935052009-05-01T14:47:00.000-04:002009-05-01T14:47:00.000-04:00CyborgSuzy, I feel your pain.
"Oh these scientist...CyborgSuzy, I feel your pain.<br /><br />"Oh these scientists, they say one thing, then another one says another -- I don't think they know anything ..."<br /><br />Contrasted with:<br /><br />"Herr Professor Famous applied physicist says that black folks is inferior. He's a scientist, so it must be true."<br /><br />Aaargghh!<br /><br />I attribute it to the truly dismal "science education" in this country -- which has been dismal since forever, and doesn't show any sign of improving.<br /><br />Because facility with technology is NOT the same thing as a scientific education.Heather Houlahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13891198124130533198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-61813245011459245582009-05-01T14:41:00.000-04:002009-05-01T14:41:00.000-04:00I take it it has been a long winter? Has the snow...I take it it has been a long winter? Has the snow began to melt in PA, yet? ;-)<br /><br />This looks promising, from the front, er, beginning. I, also, look forward to learning how to glean information from amongst the chaff.<br /><br />eliAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-55210043313322339722009-05-01T12:54:00.000-04:002009-05-01T12:54:00.000-04:00I'm looking forward to posts on this topic.
I sti...I'm looking forward to posts on this topic.<br /><br />I still read these sorts of articles and studies and books, but mostly to stay up on the truly stunning questions that random dog-owning friends come up and ask me after *they* read these things.<br /><br />Oy.<br /><br />Oh, and I'm in the People's Front of Judea. Judean People's Front! Splitters!!maybabyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03614214716356960711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-59194038229252447632009-05-01T11:35:00.000-04:002009-05-01T11:35:00.000-04:00This looks like fun.
It's funny, I spend so much ...This looks like fun.<br /><br />It's funny, I spend so much time trying to convince people they SHOULD listen more to scientists instead of their hairdresser. I sometimes have a harder time voicing criticism about publications because some take that to mean you can't trust ANYONE in the Ivory Tower League.adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04605428127471399424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-44262329637993061122009-05-01T11:28:00.000-04:002009-05-01T11:28:00.000-04:00Excellent post. I look forward to the future fisk...Excellent post. I look forward to the future fisking of the fascist forces of behavioral philosophy.<br /><br />(and re: note 1 - the "ass kiss limbo" is why I left grad school without three letters after my name. I decided that I preferred to kiss less ass for more money, and went into consuluting - where my income immediately exceeded that of my asshole advisor.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com