tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post6055309806445543007..comments2024-03-16T12:45:12.251-04:00Comments on Raised By Wolves: No Second ChanceHeather Houlahanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13891198124130533198noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-43785545628613421472012-06-22T09:03:18.304-04:002012-06-22T09:03:18.304-04:00There are a few differences here between the behav...There are a few differences here between the behavior of dogs and people. First, people, due to their greater cognitive abilities, are much better liars than dogs. If you're dog and you show love and good will, odds are you mean it. With a person, it is difficult, if not possible, to tell, especially when they are being watched.<br /><br />Second, when a person does act cruelly as an adult in our society that almost always exhibits a willful choice. Note I don't say this of children or people forced into military service. But a well off adult making the decision to engage in illegal and harmful behavior is doing so because that behavior makes them happy. A dog forced into fighting is acting for a very different reason.<br /><br />Third, dogs, in our culture do not have a national "society" from which they learn behavior. Punishing Vick harshly serves a very important purpose of deterring others from similar behavior and instilling in youth the seriousness of this behavior. Punishing a dog has no such benefit to other dogs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-38036283226617148372012-06-22T08:55:12.171-04:002012-06-22T08:55:12.171-04:00Getting drunk and running over someone is a mistak...Getting drunk and running over someone is a mistake, albeit a really bad one. A mistake is an action based on false information or reasoning. Usually when you get drunk and run someone over, you did not intend to do so. You mistakenly believed that you could drink and not have such behavior. Or, you are an alcoholic who, at the time of that first drink, believed you were not likely to get hooked. Sure a few people who drink and run people over always thought this could happen and just didn't care, but they are in the minority. The rest made a "mistake" and can learn from it.<br /><br />Dog fighting is not a "mistake". People who engage know damn well what they are doing to those dogs. It is simply evidence of their disgusting sense of enjoyment from watching living creatures suffer. <br /><br />So there are two differences here. 1) The motivation behind the person who makes a mistake and kills someone, and someone who fully knowingly kills and tortures make for very different moral arguments, and resulting in different attitudes from the public. 2) The likely future for someone who makes a mistake vs. someone exhibiting sociopathic behavior is very different. The person who made a mistake may very well change, the sociopath, based on substantial evidence, will most likely not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-82469004911127008772012-06-22T08:46:01.804-04:002012-06-22T08:46:01.804-04:00"Because this is not about a mistake. Hitting..."Because this is not about a mistake. Hitting a guy with a broken bottle in a bar fight may be a mistake."<br /><br />Perfectly stated. A mistake is something you do based on faulty reasoning or bad information. You think you can handle a few drinks; you're wrong; you hit someone. Mistake. You think trying drugs won't hurt anyone; you try them; you're hooked. Mistake. You are young and have faulty and ill-informed political reasoning; you take illegal actions. Mistake.<br /><br />When you engage in dog fighting (or, say, mugging and beating up an elderly person), you know full well what you are doing. You just don't care. You aren't making a "mistake in using bad judgement", except insofar as you thought you wouldn't get caugt. Vick knew exactly what he was doing to those dogs - there was no mistake.<br /><br />This kind of behavior is, unfortunately, an indication of a deep character problem, similar to that of child molesters and serial killers. The odds this guy is ever really going to change at this age are slim to none. Deserves a second chance - no way. Not only is he not going to change, but failing to severly punsih this kind of crime, and accepting it as a mistake, sends a very wrong message to those of equally flawed character who might otherwise be deterred. Better yet, we might send a moral message to people young enough that they still have a chance to change.<br /><br />No, not a mistake. No second chances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-65618981329869282712011-07-04T13:03:27.257-04:002011-07-04T13:03:27.257-04:00Why does everyone think that after getting caught ...Why does everyone think that after getting caught and released from prison is his "second chance"?<br /><br />How about we count the second dog as his second chance? Or the second time he hurt/injured/beat/electrocuted a dog as his second chance? Or the second day that he did it as his second chance?<br /><br />If we do that, he had thousands of chances. And all we've now got is him, instead of apologizing for all the horrible things he had done to the dogs..he instead apologized to his fans for getting involved. <br /><br />"What I did was very immature... It's just I made a mistake in using bad judgment" -Michael VickMelissa Duffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07057509843793002465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-15661932682468641092011-07-03T19:52:19.289-04:002011-07-03T19:52:19.289-04:00Heather, thanks for your extremely well-written po...Heather, thanks for your extremely well-written post. @ Rob, I don't believe in giving second chances to individuals who show no remorse for their behavior and who show no signs of a major change in their approach to life. If you have been WORKING to atone for your behavior and have been stating your remorse for the heinous thing you did (not for the consequences you incurred or the distress YOU suffered) then you may deserve a second chance. A monitored second chance because we are not required to be naive. I can see no reason for me to ever support any team that has Vick on it or to purchase their merchandise.Pattersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452989438911055640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-75906072831046928262009-12-24T20:39:08.783-05:002009-12-24T20:39:08.783-05:00Anyone who claims at this time that Vick has paid ...Anyone who claims at this time that Vick has paid his dues needs to desperately be hit with a cluestick. He has spent not one second behind bars for animal cruelty, and has never, not once, expressed contrition for what he did.<br /><br />Go crawl back under the rock you came from, you soulless monster.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18015219452269186971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-49768240342502063092009-09-06T20:44:32.634-04:002009-09-06T20:44:32.634-04:00He was in prison for two years. that is his debt ...He was in prison for two years. that is his debt he owned and he paid it. All u ignorant people need to open your eyes. You all have no problem stallworth being out of prison, when he drunkenly ran over and killed man. Open your eyesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-13996176903684371092009-09-04T16:01:30.928-04:002009-09-04T16:01:30.928-04:00I don't think anyone who's responded to th...I don't think anyone who's responded to this article has bothered to follow up on Vick's story. He does sound like a man that's remorseful and has come to his senses. What he did was sense-less, brutal and human-ly unforgiveable and definitely not a mistake, he knew what he ws doing the entire time. I am visiting this list because of my interest in adopting one of the dogs here, she would be the 4th dog in my household, I think that qualifies me as a dog lover and an appreciator of what great gifts they are to us. But the lack of compassion I'm hearing towards your fellow man is horrendous. I'm sure you all consider yourselves far better people than Vick because you've never tortured a dog but y'all are equally guilty of something else.<br />Everyone deserves second chances because mercy is better than judgement and if dogs deserve that chance, how much more do people?<br />Respectfully,<br /> Rob BardenettUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11657904803255281566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-84278297864561389052009-08-22T19:44:12.266-04:002009-08-22T19:44:12.266-04:00The word for Michael Vick is sociopath. One day s...The word for Michael Vick is sociopath. One day someone may find other nasty things in his past. The scary thing is what will he torture next?Chris F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04136741967419663755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-71210902238295902012009-08-20T13:56:17.211-04:002009-08-20T13:56:17.211-04:00Thank you for posting this, thank you for taking t...Thank you for posting this, thank you for taking the time to write and say what I can't seem to form in words like you did. Thank you for helping me remember why it's wrong.<br /><br />What was Mike's response?Princesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11152839908178506343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-47463148182157099992009-08-19T17:45:39.716-04:002009-08-19T17:45:39.716-04:00Thank you. This was extremely well done, I'll ...Thank you. This was extremely well done, I'll be following you.Meghttp://wobblypop.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-1796421363972283272009-08-19T10:45:06.007-04:002009-08-19T10:45:06.007-04:00I've not read your blog before, but will never...I've not read your blog before, but will never forget this one. I plan on forwarding your well written piece to everyone I know. Thank you.BDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07379672593519702754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-58238934961639394642009-08-16T23:29:38.784-04:002009-08-16T23:29:38.784-04:00Emily C
Couldnt have written it better myself. I ...Emily C<br /> Couldnt have written it better myself. I will be sending this article to everyone I know.EmilyCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-67106073601982099242009-08-16T17:04:22.761-04:002009-08-16T17:04:22.761-04:00Im not a football fan and I have ignored most of t...Im not a football fan and I have ignored most of this other than being pleased that at least he did some jail time. But then I saw him do a tv interview where instead of apologizing for all the horrible things he had done to the dogs..he instead apologized to his fans for getting involved in something so trival as dog fighting. Trivial wasnt the exact word he used but i dont remember now the exact wording. I was seeing red by that point. No doubt to the dogs it wasnt trival at all! I'm no bleeding heart...but for someone to do the things Vick did and still feel no remorse except that it hurt his career..well thats downright scary as well as infuriorating. Fortunately I sincerely believe that he will eventually have to face *real* justice for his sins.Summer Winds Farmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04959700389626888255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-76508556674278399912009-08-16T15:10:40.197-04:002009-08-16T15:10:40.197-04:00I haven't always agreed with you, Heather, but...I haven't always agreed with you, Heather, but you sure nailed this one. I don't think anyone has said it better.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18250246938580369789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-89697863802723573482009-08-16T12:09:51.514-04:002009-08-16T12:09:51.514-04:00@Anonymous -- the corporate sponsors page works fo...@Anonymous -- the corporate sponsors page works for me.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18015219452269186971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-29307521236418463002009-08-16T12:07:30.123-04:002009-08-16T12:07:30.123-04:00Here's some interesting additional intelligenc...Here's some interesting additional intelligence from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick#Plea_agreements.2C_convictions" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia's Michael Vick page</a> (emboldening my own):<br /><br /><i>A significant portion of the plea agreement involved Vick cooperating with federal authorities pursuing other dog fighting cases as well as a complete allocution on his role in the Bad Newz Kennels, including detailing his role in the killing of dogs after the fights. The allocution proved to be a "sticking point," as both federal prosecutors and FBI agents reported that Vick was giving contradictory statements about how dogs were killed, what his role in the killings were, how many dogs were killed, and other details. According to reporters who spoke to Judge Hudson after the sentencing hearing, <b>Vick's pre-sentencing behavior, especially during an FBI polygraph administered in October 2007 which showed that Vick was being deceptive when asked direct questions about killing dogs, was a factor in selecting the length of the sentence.</b></i>Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18015219452269186971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-55601693968257259182009-08-16T08:48:23.065-04:002009-08-16T08:48:23.065-04:00I live in a state where football is a religious cu...I live in a state where football is a religious cult, and that is an understatement. Because there is literally no place to hide, I've also 'gotten into it' with a couple of cult members regarding Vick.<br /><br />You've framed the issue brilliantly; Vick's depravity is on a par with pedophilia, and entirely unfathomable. <br /><br />Forwarding the link to clients and cult members alike. THANKS!PrairiePupnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-83659908406426825022009-08-15T23:56:00.646-04:002009-08-15T23:56:00.646-04:00I am so glad this Donna gave a graphic description...I am so glad this Donna gave a graphic description of what happened in such details...now idiots will try to copy. People need to think about the audience before being too descriptive. <br /><br />To bad we could not hook those cables to Vicks private parts. Your article is great and we need make our thoughts known. We all know that Vick is not the first or last NFL player involved in dog fighting or animal abuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-15914053805878129702009-08-15T21:51:44.785-04:002009-08-15T21:51:44.785-04:00I've never read your blog until today...I was ...I've never read your blog until today...I was referred by my dog breed group on the "interwebs". Powerfully written and I thank you for reminding us all of the horrific circumstances surrounding Vick. Thank you again.Suzannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-41923605112167510432009-08-15T11:28:20.719-04:002009-08-15T11:28:20.719-04:00Thank you so much for writing this beautiful blog ...Thank you so much for writing this beautiful blog on behalf of us PitBulls and all dogs everywhere.<br />Mr. Vick is a bad, bad man.<br />Blogging Bog<br />http://blog.everythingandthedog.comPatti Best & Bobhttp://blog.everythingandthedog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-55494950905501506312009-08-15T09:24:56.764-04:002009-08-15T09:24:56.764-04:00Looks like the Eagles removed their sponsors from ...Looks like the Eagles removed their sponsors from their web page. I guess their feeling the heat already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-44715367360422936262009-08-15T06:55:34.704-04:002009-08-15T06:55:34.704-04:00Thank you for a powerful post and for the link to ...Thank you for a powerful post and for the link to the Eagle's sponsors. I'll be sending some letters this week, for all the good they'll do.Smakinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-83798490001785255562009-08-15T00:48:12.234-04:002009-08-15T00:48:12.234-04:00@Lori -- you have no need to be ashamed, any more ...@Lori -- you have no need to be ashamed, any more than anyone else does. Collective guilt is ridiculous.<br /><br />Vick is a first-rate scumbag.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18015219452269186971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-59627402756219998402009-08-14T20:22:57.153-04:002009-08-14T20:22:57.153-04:00And this is really all that needs said.
Thank you...And this is really all that needs said.<br /><br />Thank you. This could not have been written more powerfully.Katiehttp://underdogged.netnoreply@blogger.com