tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post5056423759783433631..comments2024-03-16T12:45:12.251-04:00Comments on Raised By Wolves: Puppy LaunderingHeather Houlahanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13891198124130533198noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-83759981395270704242012-10-26T15:23:28.059-04:002012-10-26T15:23:28.059-04:00If you really wanted to "rescue" some to...If you really wanted to "rescue" some towels you would go to the Goodwill and get the faded ones that have holes in them..the ones that have been "washed to death" in "horrific' machines".. not hand washed with love and care.. you are obviously a "toweler" that cares not for old needy textiles.LOL<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-7631817082869078002009-05-02T21:13:00.000-04:002009-05-02T21:13:00.000-04:00Ouch - as much as I agree with the ending of the t...Ouch - as much as I agree with the ending of the term "greeder" I have to also object to the lumping of rescue groups and shelters.<br /><br />Just like reputable breeders, the vast majority of private rescue groups run in the red.<br /><br />And for those who disagree with rescues pulling "highly adoptable" dogs from high-kill shelters - if the dogs were not in imminent danger of being destroyed, the shelter would simply opt to hang on to them. Several pounds/shelters we deal with will openly turn us down when they come across a dog that "shows well" in person.<br /><br />Also, the vast majority of them beg to get puppies out of the shelter asap. A lot of times the pups still have their mom, and the mom needs rescue too. A shelter is no place for a litter of puppies - too much disease, not enough socialization. Caring shelter/pound directors realize this, and dogs not adopted within a few days are hastily sent out to rescues.<br /><br />My point is, just as puppy mills shouldn't have anything to do with the reputation of honest breeders, groups like HSUS and BF should not have anything to do with the reputation of honest rescues and their organizers/volunteers.The Dog Househttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11287112678836853233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-89217782668538782272009-04-14T10:52:00.000-04:002009-04-14T10:52:00.000-04:00I like the idea of getting dogs out of shelters to...I like the idea of getting dogs out of shelters too. However, I don't like the idea of "indirectly supporting" puppy mills by importing puppies from other countries or other parts of the US under the guise of rescuing. I know of shelters and rescues that go to auctions to "save" designer puppies from puppy mills and adopt them for higher "adoption fees" because they know the market will demand it. Puppy mills don't care where they get their money as long as they get their money. Some rescues and shelters on adoptions sites such as petfinder have nothing but puppies and very few if any adults....this doesn't make sense to me. There are plenty of dogs in our own communities that need saving. Oh wait...save the hard to save ones for the pound...so they get all the blame. Get the easy to adopt ones to show the public what a wonderfully high adoption rate you have to get more donors.<br /><br />DonnaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-13304487822132517002009-03-26T09:45:00.000-04:002009-03-26T09:45:00.000-04:00We've got a local version of BF, goes by HUA...tho...We've got a local version of BF, goes by HUA...though a quick check-back to their website shows they claim to have gone 'national' now.<BR/><BR/>The business model includes taking donations (HUA is organized as 'non-profit'), then using donor dollars to purchase 'retired' puppy mill breeding stock at dog auctions. The one-eyed, three-legged, snaggle-toothed 'Maltese' in early stages of congestive heart failure will need a bath before his price is marked up and he can be re-sold to one of the donors. HUA calls the whole transaction a 'rescue' and 'adoption'.<BR/><BR/>The success of the business model is proven -- the website says they plan to double their warehouse space in the coming year. ALL done in the name of serving their mission, which is explicitly stated: put an end to puppy mills.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to write more, but I have to go to Sam's Club to rescue some bath towels and do my part to close down the textile industry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-76636412533783366662009-03-23T15:58:00.000-04:002009-03-23T15:58:00.000-04:00Absolutely, Heather. I realized quite awhile ago ...Absolutely, Heather. I realized quite awhile ago that the goal of the 'rescue'/shelter people is to corner the market. At least they are now admitting it's a business, not a cause. That's progress.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes they steal puppies from 'mills'. Sometimes they get them through 'rescue'.<BR/><BR/>Either way, it's the same kind of puppy, just that a new bunch has moved in to take over the existing territory in what amounts to a turf war. They actually charge more for certain dogs than others at shelters these days.Caveathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10712858257904194590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-26197371529020512672009-03-22T03:40:00.000-04:002009-03-22T03:40:00.000-04:00Hmmm. I have to drive up to Santa Barbara - may ne...Hmmm. I have to drive up to Santa Barbara - may need to window-shop along the way.<BR/><BR/>Hardly any purebred-looking dogs at local shelters & adoption fairs that aren't generic pit bull or chihuahua types. <BR/><BR/>Smallish mixed-breed pups do show up once in a while. A stray momma-dog will be fostered with her pups until they're old enough to be adopted, and by then there's a waiting list at the shelter for each pup.<BR/><BR/>Will CA's puppy <A HREF="http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=hsc&group=122001-123000&file=122045-122110" REL="nofollow">lemon law</A> apply? I don't think so, but what do I know. Here's <A HREF="http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stuscacal_hlth_saf_code_122045_122315.htm" REL="nofollow">more</A>.Luisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04042236324318156854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-62883990343992840962009-03-21T21:57:00.000-04:002009-03-21T21:57:00.000-04:00I just have no faith that this is anything but a p...I just have no faith that this is anything but a ploy. I am not opposed to elevating the plight of shelter dogs, but this is NOT the way.Linda Kaimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588283376515834955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-26042189962370257382009-03-20T21:27:00.000-04:002009-03-20T21:27:00.000-04:00Well, I WAS thinking that I really ought to free u...Well, I WAS thinking that I really ought to free up some bucks and send a membership renewal to BF. But things are getting a little weird around the edges ::sound of wallet snapping shut::<BR/><BR/>I'm thinking that a for-profit business selling puppies is problematical, at best, even with BF involved.<BR/><BR/>Businesses rely on inventory control. Puppies can't be produced on demand in a humane, responsible manner. So, I don't see how this works over the long haul, especially if they are promising "purebred" puppies.<BR/><BR/>The info here and at Pet Connection about what sound like bogus raids, which are effectively the seizure of someone else's property without due process and then profiting from the sale of it (the puppies and dogs) makes my head swim. How would the pet shop make sure that they weren't getting puppies from a source like that. The pressure will be on not to ask too many questions.<BR/><BR/>BF has said nothing, that I've seen, about where the "merchandise" is going to come from other than the vague "shelters". Even if LA Animal Control went No Kill tomorrow, there wouldn't be enough dogs meeting the criteria to keep the PC LA pet stores "stocked".sfoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14641207520270872175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-13055549813549341072009-03-20T16:06:00.000-04:002009-03-20T16:06:00.000-04:00Smartdogs, I hope that the word "greeder" does not...Smartdogs, I hope that the word "greeder" does not catch on like other AR-coined terms have. The only context I have seen that word used -- and there was a lot of it hurled around during the War Against AB 1634 -- was by foaming-at-the-mouth AR nutjobs screaming it at ALL breeders. Makes my stomach twist into knots just seeing that word used again. Please, not that word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-26289535280275158632009-03-20T15:37:00.000-04:002009-03-20T15:37:00.000-04:00I guess this is a win-win for Woofworx too, in tha...I guess this is a win-win for Woofworx too, in that they can LEGITIMATELY no longer be held responsible for the longer-term health or temperament of their mill puppies- after all, the pups came from a shelter and the people knew that when they bought them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-64415375672575461252009-03-20T12:55:00.000-04:002009-03-20T12:55:00.000-04:00"We're going to offer an alternative to pet stores..."We're going to offer an alternative to pet stores that sell puppies. That alternative is *our* pet store that sells puppies."<BR/><BR/>Oooookkkaaayyy.<BR/><BR/>Well, really, you have to stand back and be amazed at how far Best Friends has it's collective head up it's collective ass.<BR/><BR/>Astonishing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-48707893609890428662009-03-20T10:58:00.000-04:002009-03-20T10:58:00.000-04:00A large, high-kill "humane" group here has a track...A large, high-kill "humane" group here has a track record of raiding high-volume puppy producers, confiscating their stock, deciding most of the adult dogs are beyond help and then selling the puppies off at near breeder prices. I hear that they're also skilled at pressuring breeders to "voluntarily" give up their stock.<BR/><BR/>So, Biscuit, I posit that when they run out of puppies, more raids will occur.<BR/><BR/>While I am pleased to see any greeder (high or low volume) put out of business, I also can't help but wonder where this kind of business-plan-meets-social-agenda would end. 'Cause when money and politics get in bed together, they're really hard to stop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-34676308605434676742009-03-20T10:23:00.000-04:002009-03-20T10:23:00.000-04:00thank you for pointing this out. More and more I w...thank you for pointing this out. More and more I wonder about BF. I know they "claim" to do good and even going out to their homestead you see "good" things happening. But SRSLY I've been getting as much junk, advertisments, phone calls, propaganda from them as HSUS or ASPCA sends out. That STUFF just encourages me to cringe when I toss it all into the recycling bin and wonder if they are feeding the dogs. And NOW they are going to sell "purebred PUPPIES"!?!?<BR/>sigh<BR/>MLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-80026406654238894572009-03-20T09:14:00.000-04:002009-03-20T09:14:00.000-04:00Good point about the ID'ing of young pups. It's b...Good point about the ID'ing of young pups. It's beyond the scope of the most expert of cynologists. Really.<BR/><BR/>Sure, the client who called me to consult on the "retriever" pup she'd gotten and met me at the door with a prick-eared, curly-tailed, red-and-white pup with a face mask was naive. (<I>Did the breeder happen to have any huskies around the place? He did? <B>really?</B></I><BR/><BR/>But beyond that kind of extreme, at eight weeks of age, who can say <I>what</I> a pup really is?<BR/><BR/>Which is why the conventional pet store liars do such a brisk business in "Maltese" that eventually grow to 25 pounds and have curly coats. Etcetera.<BR/><BR/>I'd be less disturbed if this store is passing off pound mutts as "wonderful healthy purebreds" than if they really do sell purebred pups, because the latter can <I>only</I> originate in a puppymill and be laundered through bogus "rescue" in order to land in the storefront.Heather Houlahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13891198124130533198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-47126361369230908312009-03-20T09:06:00.000-04:002009-03-20T09:06:00.000-04:00It's the "buy" and the "these are purebred puppies...It's the "buy" and the "these are purebred puppies" that is really bothering me here.<BR/><BR/>In Philadephia, several groups have rented some significant storefronts with big windows to showcase shelter dogs, but it's just a rental of a big window storefront in a populated area -- it's still shelter/rescue dogs and the organization is the same. Also, it's "what the shelter has" -- while there is a push that the rented storefront dogs will make great pets, there's nothing said about them being purebreed -- or even puppies.<BR/><BR/>I would feel better if the LA model was more like the Philly one -- renting a storefront so that "pet ready" dogs (and all ages have been profiled -- mostly ones that are either more active or need a bit more space than the regular shelter kennels have) are more visible to the public, but the adopt/screening, etc is still the same.<BR/><BR/>DoreneRocambolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723765275954949223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-17556502863561317372009-03-20T08:35:00.000-04:002009-03-20T08:35:00.000-04:00I really question the sourcing of these dogs; know...I really question the sourcing of these dogs; knowing what I have experienced with the shelters and rescues I have worked with currently and in the past, breed identification in a young dog is beyond the scope of most shelter employees. <BR/><BR/>My other concern is if the issue of BYB and Mill pups is what they are using with all the talk about health and soundness, what are their assurances to their buying public that these pups will not be so affected? Exactly how will they assure the buyer that the pup they just "adopted" won't keel over dead from some genetically influenced disease or communicable ill?<BR/><BR/>Hypocritical of the highest order.Linda Kaimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588283376515834955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810033429461791744.post-78555414295921989712009-03-20T07:08:00.000-04:002009-03-20T07:08:00.000-04:00I like the idea of getting dogs out of shelters an...I like the idea of getting dogs out of shelters and into homes (and I'm sure that's what they're counting on - that everyone will like this idea) but you raise some excellent points. I think BF should clarify in detail how this whole thing is going to work. Once I get to thinking on it, I can envision all sorts of problems. For example, what if they run out of "purebred puppies" from their local shelters? Will they pull from out of area shelters? Thus removing those other shelters' chance to get peeps in the door with the thought that maybe there's a cute pup there like they saw online. Adopters will quickly figure out if they surf Petfinder or shelter sites and only the BF store has cute Purebred pups while everybody else has old Chow mixes, black Pitbulls, and Lab/Shepherd crosses.YesBiscuit!https://www.blogger.com/profile/13827466504671715047noreply@blogger.com